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05 May 2003 @ 10:22 pm
Emails to and from the feeder, otherwise known as the bane of my existence -.-  

--- On Sun 05/04, Robert Hanke < robih@gmx.de > wrote:
Somebody was telling me off at Yahoo. They discarded my accounts consecutively twice in one week without willingess to specify which
part of my pages were against which part of their Terms of Service. Consequently, I have moved to an own domain:


Oh - did that ANNOY you, perhaps? I'd apologize but I'm not the least bit sorry. And this will continue until you remove my name and link and anyone else's information that you have listed without permission. Or if you'd rather, you can hear from my lawyer. Your excuses are lame and without basis, and don't think that because you're in another country you're safe. You are scum. Next, I'll be contacting all your references.

You've been warned.

--- On Sun 05/04, Robert Hanke < robih@gmx.de > wrote:
> Next, I'll be contacting all your references.

They already know my homepage. You won't tell them anything new.

That's allright. Eventually you'll get it through your thick skull that this sort of thing is wrong. I still don't understand why you won't remove a link upon request - you can't possibly say you like me. So therefore I must assume you are doing it simply because you are an asshole.

--- On Sun 05/04, Robert Hanke < robih@gmx.de > wrote:
Making Web pages publicly accessible over the internet subjects them to be referenced to from anywhere without prior notice. This is
how the Internet works. Whats wrong with it? If you wanted to keep on being an anonymous person, you should not have brought up
plublicly accessible disclosures about you in the first place.

NOTE ON THIS ONE: Don't you like how it's MY fault?

You're missing the point - deliberately, I'm certain. It may be legal to link to my site, but it is NOT legal to suggest that I am a feedee or gaining weight, which you are doing. Hence, you will find that that this campaign will not end.

--- On Mon 05/05, Robert Hanke < robih@gmx.de > wrote:
The link to your site says "Vicki".
How does this suggest you being a feedee?

What alterations in the text of http://www.meineziele.de/wg-us.html do you want me to make to keep up the link from there to your

Are there any other alterations I can do to keep up the link?

NOTE ON THIS ONE: My apologies to all of my friends who are German. I am in no way suggesting that any of you don't speak English well, because you know I think you do. It was not a nice thing for me to say.

Okay, let me get this straight - you are willing to CHANGE YOUR SITE to something that would please me rather than REMOVE THE LINK TO MINE? Would you please explain in what universe this makes sense? And I repeat - why do you want to link to my site?!

There is NOTHING you could do, save removing any and ALL mention and links to feederism from your site, that would possibly make it palitable to me. You have my link under a page that says "weight gaining females." I am much more than that, and you have made me sound like I'm not even human. Not to mention, AGAIN, I am losing weight, not gaining.

Do I need to have this translated into German for you to get it?!

--- On Mon 05/05, Robert Hanke < robih@gmx.de > wrote:
I cannot detect the string "weight gaining females" on the page that links to you. Confirm http://www.meineziele.de/wg-us.html

*slaps forehead* Oh, silly me! It says FATTENING FEMALES! Yes, that's SO much better!

You are either stupid or being deliberately annoying.

--- On Mon 05/05, Robert Hanke < robih@gmx.de > wrote:
"Fattening Females" is not on the page were the link to your home page is, but on the entry page http://www.meineziele.de/index.html

In this respect there is only a remotely indirect reference between you and a feedee.

However, if you come up with a suggestion for replacing this with a more appropriate but equally descriptive phrase for all the
ladies I've listed, I am open for this suggestion.

Well, considering the fact that you've never told me why you've listed my page and information, how can I possibly make a suggestion other than that you remove my link?

I continue to find it amusing that I've asked you this and numerous other questions, and yet you ignore them. How intelligent of you.

> Well, considering the fact that you've never told me why
> you've listed my page and information, how can I possibly
> make a suggestion other than that you remove my link?

I listed you and the others as heaviest ladies having an own homepage. This as part of a Fattening Portal because each and every one
of them (including you) must have gained a considerate amount of weight somewhere in the past.

It is not my intention of hurting the dignity of any of the ladies listed there (including yours).

Can you make a suggestion on how to alter "Fattening Females" into a term or phrase that preserves the dignity of those listed there
(including yours) and and still makes a descriptive point of the facts as stated above?

Thank you.

Okay, you sound almost rational in this email, but I really don't think you're getting it, and I doubt you ever will, but here goes.

If you truly want to preserve my dignity, you will remove the link to my site. I fail to understand why you find it acceptable to link to my site when I abhor you and all feeders like you. I see feederism as abuse, and the very idea that I am in ANY way linked to a feeder makes me physically ill (you've helped me drop more weight in the past week actually - thanks for that much!). I have known women who have DIED as a result of feeding and there is nothing you or anyone else can ever say to me to convince me that it is not abuse. Have you got that?

Next, I detest that you are focusing on my weight. I HATE that I am fat. I am so fat that I am disabled. Every day I struggle to live, and here your site is, rubbing my size in my face. My site, on the other hand, talks about me as a PERSON - who happens to be fat. That is only one thing about me, and it is NOT who I am. Can you see the difference at all?

There's nothing you can put on your site about me that would make me want to have a link on it - unless of course you removed all references to feeding or gaining weight. And I don't see that happening, so why not just remove the link to my site? So much easier.


I probably shouldn't have sent that last one. Oh well. I'm so fucking sick of fighting him I can't stand it. I'm sure that's his goal - to wear me down so I'll leave him alone. Well, it might be working. I don't know how much longer I can keep this up.

And this is in no way a call out to others to help me or hurry up and do things that some of you have said you would do on my behalf - I just needed to get this out of my head.
I feel: pessimisticpessimistic
intellectual pepperyeleveninches on May 5th, 2003 08:49 pm (UTC)

Pervy Hoodie Fancier: JoChen Wistfuldancingrain on May 5th, 2003 08:58 pm (UTC)
what an asshole. stay strong in this, even though he's clearly trying to psych you out about it.
*with you in the fight*
TAKE A CHANCE YOU STUPID HOE.sincelastjuly on May 5th, 2003 09:03 pm (UTC)

What an idiot.
Sorry he feels the need to plague your life.
I want to be a genetic dead end.: Leo shadowshakespearechic on May 5th, 2003 09:13 pm (UTC)

What a bastard. Looks like he'll never learn - but at least you've been fighting him. *hugs*
wankersore on May 5th, 2003 09:23 pm (UTC)
this makes me cry so much. but you are going to win, you know. i have total faith that this will come out right in the end.
Vicki: Where my heart ishermorrine on May 6th, 2003 08:45 am (UTC)
*huggles* I didn't mean to make you cry, doll. :(
That's what she said.: GRR ARGHaltricial on May 5th, 2003 11:15 pm (UTC)

Yohannon: Blehyohannon on May 6th, 2003 12:10 am (UTC)
Alrighty Man...
Well, if he wants to redirect people to your site, give them something to see... like a specific, blow by blow analysis of this scheisen and his particular fetish. Put up my anti-feeder banner and link to my anti-feeder piece.

Oh, and post a link back to him, suggesting that everyone hit and reload his site until his bandwidth bills bankrupt the bastard.

If that doesn't so it, then we'll start to fight DIRTY.

** hugs **

Vicki: You are standing on my last nervehermorrine on May 6th, 2003 08:34 am (UTC)
Re: Alrighty Man...
I don't know if you've checked, but Mark helped me do a redirect of sorts from his site which says something about him. However, I doubt he's noticed it yet. But I may well put up your banner and link to your piece - thanks. His most recent email told me to go and vent at the feeders at Dimensions - what the hell kind of sense does THAT make? Those people, while disgusting, aren't doing anything to me. -.-
Zorac: dinosaurzorac on May 6th, 2003 01:05 am (UTC)
OK, I Am Not A Lawyer, but....

Data Protection could be an issue for him - he's clearly storing personably identifiable data, the fact it can be downloaded from a website I think would count as "automated processing".

He's probably breaking most if not all parts of Article 5 (data acquisition and maintenance), and I'd say that listing weights counts as health-related presonal data - breaking Aricle 6. There's no security on the data - although Article 7 is somewhat vague. He's certainly breaking Article 8 by not removing data on request. The fact that I (in the UK) can download the data from his site (in Germany) might well break Article 12.

What is unclear is how this would apply to data stored on non-EU residents - this may be why he's listing US women. Also, that's the EU treaty, Germany's legislative implementation of it may vary somewhat in details.

Oh, and contact details for his domain as listed in WHOIS:

domain: meineziele.de
descr: Tatjana Hanke
descr: In den Biegen 9
descr: 60437 Frankfurt
descr: Germany

I'm amused that he hasn't registered it in his own name...
Vicki: MWAHhermorrine on May 6th, 2003 08:37 am (UTC)
Thanks honey - I think I'll pass that link on to the lawyer who's going to send a letter to the jackass.

And I know how to do a WHOIS - I worked for 3 years for a domain name registry, remember? What I don't know how to do is track down his hosting company, so I can see if he is breaking their TOS. Not that it really matters - given enough time, he'll find a host that doesn't care.
Zorac: dodge thiszorac on May 6th, 2003 10:37 am (UTC)
I know, hon. It was more to point out the fact that he's not putting *his* name on the registartion.

Stream of consciousness folllows...

As for looking up ISP details, that involves digging in the RIPE whois database. His IP: This turns ap an email address (abuse reports for 192.67.198/24 strato-abuse@de.kpnqwest.net) but no contact details for the specific netblock.

KPN Eurorings appears to be the backbone provider, but is unlikely to be the actual hosting ISP. Looking at the routing for the netblock, we get AS6724, owned by Strato AG - which ties with that email address above. The contact domains in there show up a couple of organizations Cronon (who have a separate ISP services website) and Strato Rechenzentrum GmbH (web site not working at the moment). According to whois on their domains, both of these organisations have the same address:
Carnotstrasse 6
D-10587 Berlin
This address also appears on the technical contact for meineziele.de

Unfortunately, the links in the RIPE database aren't entirely conclusive as it doesn't look like KPN have been updating it properly, but the contact addresses on the Route match up with that abuse contact address. Also, the Cronon website is in German - mine's a little rusty, so not understanding too well.

OK, have poked around in the DNS. Reverse lookup on his IP gives me web9.webmailer.de - and a WHOIS on webmailer.de shows it as registered by Strato Rechenzentrum GmbH. www.webmailer.de is up, but uninformative.

Hmmm. Googling for that company name leads me through to the website for Strato AG - this looks to me to be the most likely candidate as the hosting company. I think that's as far as I'm going to get without a rather better command of German.
dejaspirit on May 6th, 2003 04:28 am (UTC)
Evan's writing a letter. :D Just give him a couple of days, OK?
Vicki: Where my heart ishermorrine on May 6th, 2003 08:39 am (UTC)
Wah! What I said at the end about not trying to hurry up anyone was directed at you and one other person - I just didn't want to name names in case you didn't want people to know. But thank you - and thank Evan for me. Mark found this: http://conventions.coe.int/Treaty/en/Treaties/Html/108.htm - I don't know if he can use it as ammunition, but I imagine Evan would know.
dejaspirit on May 6th, 2003 08:47 am (UTC)
It's OK, Hon. And Evan needs your name and contact info, email it to me at msscribe@comcast.net.
expetesso on May 6th, 2003 05:31 am (UTC)
I'm a bit lost by this now Morri -- thinking there isn't anything that my little nasty-nice letters spouting policy aren't going to do any good. Especially since I can't figure out where to send one, or to whom. :-(

I'm a particular fan of Yohannon's plan. That sounds to be effective on many, many fronts.

So, since I am otherwise useless, *hugs*
Negotiation Barbiepraetorianguard on May 6th, 2003 05:50 am (UTC)
*hugs* And let's Evan do the work. *grin* Go Evan!
Toby Malfoy: elijah eyetobymalfoy on May 6th, 2003 06:34 am (UTC)

Gawd, what a fucktard.


Greg: Wibblepetulans on May 6th, 2003 07:59 am (UTC)
What an arsehole! What an absolute arsehole.

I agree that the last e-mail might not have actually moved things in a positive direction in terms of how he may react privately to it, but whilst stopping him isn't taking too much out of you, which is the really important thing here, and you want to carry on along these lines then it's worth trying.

As I said, just let me know if my help is needed or wanted.

PS. This issue is now causing me to want to create another user icon to represent anger... lots of anger.
Vicki: Blow Me!!!hermorrine on May 6th, 2003 08:41 am (UTC)
Your help is definitely wanted, but you need to get your exams and all that done first. *hugs* Believe me, I'm not certain even my "blow me!" icon is strong enough to show how completely and utterly disgusted I am by all of this. Of course, it's more than just disgust, but I think you get the idea.
unwashed and idealistictil_midnight on May 6th, 2003 01:02 pm (UTC)

What an absolute asshole. Don't stop fighting him. I wish I could do something to help you.
queen_aeval on May 6th, 2003 02:24 pm (UTC)

I cannot comprehend or fathom how this man sleeps at night, or even for one moment assumes he is not doing anything wrong. Arg! I wish there was something we could do. It's so frustrating when people are such assholes!
Teesside Snog Monster: blankjiggery_pokery on May 6th, 2003 02:36 pm (UTC)
He's not worth your time and he's certianly not worth your emotion.

you've helped me drop more weight in the past week actually

Vickihermorrine on May 6th, 2003 08:31 pm (UTC)
I lied about that, actually. I continue to pepper my emails with tidbits about losing weight, even though to my knowlege I haven't.

And I'm not going to talk about that anymore because it's depressing the shit out of me and making me want to write the insecure post I was crying about on the way home tonight.

Sorry, you didn't need to hear that, and yet I can't bring myself to not post this comment. -.-
Teesside Snog Monster: blankjiggery_pokery on May 7th, 2003 03:38 am (UTC)

I'm really sorry that I picked up on the wrong thing and caused you distress. Write whatever you want to whoever you want, whether it includes me or not, but we're there for you and we want to help, to support and to let you know that people are listening and people care.
Vickihermorrine on May 7th, 2003 08:10 am (UTC)
No no, it's not your fault - I've been thinking about this sort of thing a lot lately. And I don't think I should post it really, because I think I've been doing that way too much lately. *hugs*
Yohannon: Manic Manyohannon on May 6th, 2003 04:41 pm (UTC)
Client Side Refferal Redirection
...or, in English: If you click on a link, you can put a simple script on any page that can find that, check it for a specific bit of text (say, a domain name) and perform an action based on the result. In this case, I check for brainiac's domain. If it's from his domain, it redirects to my anti-feeder piece. If it isn't, nothing happens. This should work for ANY web page -- just make sure it goes after the <body> tag, but as near to the top as possible.

<script language="JavaScript">
<!--Hide JavaScript
	var theRef=document.referrer;
	if (theRef.indexOf("meineziele") > 0) // this can be any part of the URL the link was on


                // finish hiding JavaScript -->

The only reason I use a variable at all is to make it simpler to expand this to a list of "banned" sites later, but for our purposes (sticking it to our little hitler with a sandpaper dildo sans lube) I think this will do the trick.

[reposted to fix dumb formatting mistake. My bad!]