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27 April 2003 @ 06:56 pm
*SCREAMS MORE*  

Will you look at what that fucker wrote back to me:

----- Original Message -----
From: "Vicki" <morrigan27@excite.com>
To: <robih@gmx.de>
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 7:29 PM
Subject: REMOVE ME FROM YOUR SITE

> I am NOT a feedee and you do NOT have permission to have my name, my website, or any other such information linked on your site.
REMOVE IT IMMEDIATELY. If this is not done and you do not respond to this email, I will be investigating legal action.
Vicki
www.byz.org/~morrigan

I won't. Please read http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkMyths
for the reasons.

--
Robert Hanke
robih@gmx.de
geocities.com/robih2001/


Allright asshole, you asked for it - this is WAR.
*sends complaint to Geocities*

EDITED TO ADD: But wait - he responds again! It just keeps getting better!

> I don't care if you think that's going to protect you.
> I don't know you, and you don't know me, and you have no
> right to suggest that I am a feedee by listing me on your
> site. I will be filing a complaint

This is not a list of Feedees. You won't find the string "feedee" anywhere in the source code of this page. This is a list of ladies who gain(ed) weight. Every SSBBW has been (un)intentionally gaining weight at some point in the past.


WHY IS THIS ANY OF HIS BUSINESS, AND WHY DOES HE THINK HE IS ALLOWED TO LINK FOR THAT REASON?!?! *FUMES*
 
 
I feel: infuriatedinfuriated
 
 
 
now with 50% more ironykatrionaa on April 27th, 2003 03:20 pm (UTC)
even more horrified
He already was lower than the muck I scrape off my shoes but now - !!! You should write to Geocities. His site is beyond foul.
Vicki: All is woehermorrine on April 27th, 2003 09:10 pm (UTC)
Re: even more horrified
Yes, I've filed a complaint. I just hope they take it seriously. -.-
hautemonde on April 27th, 2003 03:27 pm (UTC)

That can fucking be construed as slander, man. >:0

I am fully behind you.
Vicki: Where my heart ishermorrine on April 27th, 2003 09:11 pm (UTC)
He seems to think he can do anything and get away with it. I'm just hoping I can show him otherwise.

*hugs* Thanks hon.
Meggie Dmegd on April 27th, 2003 03:34 pm (UTC)
I think he is misinterpreting what that website says. Because what he is doing is slander. It would be different if you had identified yourself as a feedee. Instead he has chosen to decide that you are.

I would look into your options. This guy is a total bastard.

--Meg
Vicki: You are standing on my last nervehermorrine on April 27th, 2003 09:12 pm (UTC)
Well, if you see the second email I added later, he claims it is NOT a list of feedees. Riiiiight. Nice little loophole he's attempting for himself.

I have filed my complaint with Geocities - I just hope it'll be enough.
Teesside Snog Monster: blankjiggery_pokery on April 27th, 2003 03:40 pm (UTC)
If you can be bothered with him - and I wouldn't blame you if you couldn't - then you could point out that the document he links to says in a big box under Myth One that "You are responsible for what you say about other people, and their sites, etc., on the web as anywhere". He's accepting responsibility for calling you a "fattening female" which you have objected to. Maybe he might understand the situation if you were to put it to him in those terms.

I've been feeling pretty disgusted (not with you - you haven't done anything wrong at all) since I first read your last post. This has made it a lot worse.
Vicki: Where my heart ishermorrine on April 27th, 2003 09:14 pm (UTC)
I've been feeling pretty disgusted (not with you - you haven't done anything wrong at all) since I first read your last post. This has made it a lot worse.

*hugs* I'm sorry this is making you feel bad - that's certainly not my intention. And I never would've thought you were disgusted with me, so no worries there. *hugs more*
cygnusfap on April 27th, 2003 03:41 pm (UTC)
Even allowing for that legal stuff he thinks he knows, you'd think that he'd have the decency that any normal person would have in replying to your request. As someone who runs a website with links (to fics), if someone asked me to remove the link to their fic, I'd do it.

And that page he linked to is misleading. Sure, he may have the right to link to you - as long as he doesn't lie or mislead people about you, which he has.

War indeed. Good luck. I hope his site gets shut down for this.
TAKE A CHANCE YOU STUPID HOE.: grrr diesincelastjuly on April 27th, 2003 04:33 pm (UTC)
KICK HIS ASS.
*waves giant red and gold banner*
Vicki: MWAHhermorrine on April 27th, 2003 09:15 pm (UTC)
I'm trying - I just hope it's enough.
Deiter, of the German Popefuckers.: HOIalkaloid on April 27th, 2003 04:47 pm (UTC)

Kick that fucker back inside his momma!

*tosses a towel over your shoulders, gets you water*
Deiter, of the German Popefuckers.: *smirk*alkaloid on April 27th, 2003 04:51 pm (UTC)
Sorry, I hit enter by accident and posted before I was done...

That man is a worthless piece of shit. Like the others have said, deciding that you are a feedee is wrong and I think you have grounds for a successful complaint.
Vicki: You are standing on my last nervehermorrine on April 27th, 2003 09:16 pm (UTC)
I hope you're right. As you can see in his 2nd email, he doesn't feel that it counts to simply have my name on his site, when he isn't calling me a feedee directly - like that makes any damned difference. I just hope Geocities does the right thing.
Deiter, of the German Popefuckers.alkaloid on April 28th, 2003 05:08 am (UTC)

he doesn't feel that it counts to simply have my name on his site

-___-

I hope geocities does the right thing, too. *cuddles*

let's get the seven lines.bookshop on April 27th, 2003 05:04 pm (UTC)
*STARES IN HORROR*

....

kick his ass, morri.

*hugs*
Vicki: All is woehermorrine on April 27th, 2003 09:17 pm (UTC)
*sighs* I'm trying, but unless Geocities responds to my complaint, I don't know what else I can do.

*hugs*
Nico Coernicocoer on April 27th, 2003 06:05 pm (UTC)
Okay, get this: That link is bull. though it may be god in general, a contract overrules any of that. and the Geocities contract does. by clicking the "I Accept" button, he's signing his good ol' John Handcock to it, and it's as leagally binding as any other contract may be. So get out the big old TOU for Geo cities, may be a screen cap of the sign up page. And while it isn't illeagel to link with out asking, it is against contract to link in a away that is defamitory, and it's against contract (from what I can remember) distribute personal information with out permission, or to keep info up which has been asked to remove.

If you need screen shots and what not, bother me. need to do some thing or else Nike will take me. (Not shoes)

I'd ask my lawyer Aunt, but she's more into domestic disputes then 'net law. *ponders*

Any how, yes.

~N~

Vicki: You are standing on my last nervehermorrine on April 27th, 2003 09:18 pm (UTC)
Thanks for being supportive. I've sent in my complaint to Geocities - now I guess I just have to wait.
intellectual pepperyeleveninches on April 27th, 2003 08:09 pm (UTC)
OH MAN. Can you email geocities and get his site taken down?!
Vicki: You are standing on my last nervehermorrine on April 27th, 2003 09:20 pm (UTC)
I've filed a complaint with Geocities - whether or not that will be enough to get him taken down, I don't know. I also don't know how long they'll take to respond to the complaint. And even if they take his site down, what's to stop him from just finding new hosting somewhere else? I'm really frustrated and pissed off. >:0!!!
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Vicki: Where my heart ishermorrine on April 27th, 2003 09:38 pm (UTC)
As much as I wish I could sue, I'm not legally-savvy enough to know if it's even within the realm of possibility. And I don't want any of my German friends going to jail for assault, as much as I would like to see this guy beaten into little pieces.

I suppose it's better me, someone willing to fight back, than someone who wouldn't do anything about it. I just hope I get somewhere. Thanks for being supportive.
Yohannon: Manic Manyohannon on April 27th, 2003 09:39 pm (UTC)
OOO...An EVIL Thought!
Want geocities to take you seriously? Take the tack that ANY information he's posted about you that may have been taken from your profile or otherwise is in violation of copyright! Whilst not a lawyer myself, I can imagine a good legal argument that says that he's violating your copyright by not taking down any information that is unique to you, even if it's only your weight. A long shot? Sure, but remember, it doesn't have to fly in a court of law, just to trigger a clearer violation of Yahell/Geoslums Terms O' Service. However, i suspect the "harrassment" violation is enough.

In the meantime, I plan to spread the word: If anyone else I know is on that list, they're getting an email ASAP so THEY can complain as well.

HUGS!

~Y~
(anti-feeder FA. Oh, and if I had KNOWN that documentary was goign to be shown that week, everyone would've known... I know a few people in the UK meself, after all. :P)
Vicki: Where my heart ishermorrine on April 28th, 2003 10:12 am (UTC)
Re: OOO...An EVIL Thought!
The thing is, he only guessed at my weight, and he's wrong. So how is it a violation of copyright?

*shrugs* Was just saying that it was funny that I could've seen it but didn't.
Toby Malfoy: willow pissedtobymalfoy on April 28th, 2003 04:48 am (UTC)

What a sick fuck!

>:0!!!!!!!!!!

Hmmmm... You might want to mention to geocities, that he is linking to nude pictures. As far as I know, they very much frown upon everything of that kind.

As for legal action. I'm sorry to say that there isn't much you can do. Linking to other webpages is legal and as the link he sent you, cannot be refused, unless someone is making it look your page is actually his part of his own. You could possibly have something in the libel department, since the way he linking to your page can be constructed that way. But it's shaky IMHO.
It is unbelievably rude not to honor a link removal request, especially if it's a personal website.

Anyway, I think you have a very good chance that geocities will take him down.

>:D
Vicki: MWAHhermorrine on April 28th, 2003 10:13 am (UTC)
*sigh* I know. If you feel like going to Frankfurt and kicking his arse, do take pictures. >:D
Negotiation Barbiepraetorianguard on April 28th, 2003 06:15 am (UTC)
You can link to, basically, whatever you want, if it's done properly (which, unfortunately, does not include asking permission). You cannot imply untrue things about a person in the process.

You've got enough of a case for defamation (libel? slander? One's written and one's verbal but I have a mental block against remembering which is which.) that a lawyer can send a nasty e-mail.

Unfortunately, that can't be me, as I know nothing about defamation. But it looks to me like there's enough there for a nasty letter and a threatened lawsuit. That's usually enough to scare people off.

Fucker.
oddree on April 28th, 2003 07:46 am (UTC)
Libel is written. Verbal is slander.

But now you are making me question myself...

Odd
Negotiation Barbiepraetorianguard on April 28th, 2003 09:19 am (UTC)
I think you're right, but I can never remember for sure. Good thing this wasn't on the bar exam, since I didn't know it then any more than I know it now. :P
Vicki: All is woehermorrine on April 28th, 2003 10:14 am (UTC)
*hugs* Thanks all the same. Too bad you and Heidi are the only lawyers I know, and this isn't something either you can do. Bleh.