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02 September 2008 @ 11:54 am
A rare political post.  
I think my political leanings are pretty obvious to most people - posting the LetCaliforniaRing video, for example. But in case you've been living under a rock, I'm VERY liberal. I'm queer. I'm pro-choice. Generally, that means I vote Democrat, although I do pay attention and if there was a fairly liberal Republican who I felt was a better candidate, I wouldn't have a problem voting for that person.

In this election, however, I was already firmly voting Obama/Biden - and then Palin happened. What a complete and utter clusterfuck for the Republicans. Every new thing that comes out just astounds me more. I'm going to paste a few comments I've made in other people's journals recently, because I think I should put those things here, too.

Palin was chosen BECAUSE she's a woman, not because she's actually a good choice or would make a good VP. That's just as sexist as choosing a man because he is male and not because he would be a good choice/good VP. Anyone who believes otherwise is kidding themselves, because all of those other reasons that supposedly make her a good candidate could've been found in a male candidate with more experience. I have yet to see anyone prove otherwise, and I'm still completely and utterly disgusted by the entire thing.

I don't like Palin as a choice for VP, and I don't like her politics. There was no chance of me ever voting for McCain to begin with, but if I had been remotely close to being on the fence, that would've sent me in the opposite direction. That all said, I really hate what she's done for the whole "women can have a career and a personal life" thing, because really, all this woman is proving is that she, at the least, can't do both. She chose to put her career in front of her family at a very poor time, and call me a horrible person, but I AM judging her for that. Her daughter doesn't need this crap, and even if Palin had discussed it with her family, warned them of the scrutiny that would be coming, a teenager can in no way make that kind of fully-informed decision.

Everything about this makes me ill, and it really seems that instead of furthering the cause of women by choosing her, the Republicans have instead sent things backwards to the point where it could possibly undermine all the good Hillary has done for women. Maybe I'm being overdramatic, but that's how it feels.
 
 
I feel: aggravatedaggravated
 
 
 
Cybele Noirewitchsmacked1 on September 2nd, 2008 08:15 pm (UTC)
I totally agree with you.

This was a move to sway Hillary's supporters who were absolutely against Obama. I am pretty sure that it will fail to do so. She is everything that Hillary is not.

It would be easy to pick on the knocked up daughter as a point that she isn't doing so hot as a mother because really, it isn't fair to the girl. I respect Obama for saying that he wouldn't even touch it and would fire anyone in his camp if he found out that someone had made it a point of attack.

Palin is nothing more than a punchline. I mean come on--she was named a "hot governor" in a magazine. A MILF. Seriously. McCain is making a mockery of her really without even realizing it. And she doesn't seem to get that either.

The media will focus on that more than her politics. I don't see this as a smart move on McCain's part.

I'm non partisan but am pretty liberal so I tend to end up voting Democrat. As much as they talk about Obama's lack of experience, Palin is even less so, and at least Obama has a pretty experienced running mate elder statesman.

I think McCain waited to see if Hillary would indeed be in the VP running before going the female running mate route just so he can look like he is with the times. Fail.

You are dead on point with your views, at least in my opinion. It's sending us back to the middle ages.
Life without me is gay and faggotytartpants on September 2nd, 2008 10:37 pm (UTC)
The thing is, I think most rational people agree. CNN just put up at article where a McCain adviser claims that Obama and Biden are being sexist about Palin....and no where in the article does she actually give any examples of sexist behavior. Everyone in the comments is baffled and outraged.
netbyrd on September 2nd, 2008 09:16 pm (UTC)
totally agree. I'm still O_o over the choice of VP for them. It's so transparent that it's sad.
Gwen: american flagladyguenivere on September 2nd, 2008 10:01 pm (UTC)
Not to harp on working mothers, but damn, her teenage daughter is pregnant and NEEDS her right now, not to mention the 5 month old with Downs.

Argh indeed. You know I don't disagree with anything else, really. I'm not as disgusted as you, but yeah, I... wouldn't have voted Republican anyway. This just makes any degree of "hm" left go way the fuck farther away.



Edited at 2008-09-02 10:02 pm (UTC)
winter is coming, so don't stab your sisterceilidh on September 2nd, 2008 11:04 pm (UTC)
I don't think it's harping on working mothers at all. If my daughter was going through any kind of enormous life changing crisis like being pregnant and unmarried, and if I had a special needs child on top of that, I would definitely NOT be running for the second in command of the US.
imaginary circus: Obama in sunglassesimaginarycircus on September 2nd, 2008 10:04 pm (UTC)
I'm with you. I felt ill that they chose a woman with those sorts of political beliefs--a woman who would rather her 17 year old have a kid and get married than get an education or be something other than a baby machine and probably didn't teach her about safe sex. UGH! SO ANGRY!
Cybele Noirewitchsmacked1 on September 3rd, 2008 02:32 am (UTC)
No she probably was taught "abstinence only birth control" which is a staple of the republican right and a horrible failure statistically.

Henry Rollins has an entire monologue on this on one of his CDs. If I can find transcript I will have to post it.
Selina Kyle: Angieselinakyle47 on September 3rd, 2008 03:01 am (UTC)
I'm puzzled by this choice. If McCain wanted to shore up support from the evangelicals, why not Pawlenty? It seems rather foolish to chase after a few PUMAs by selecting Palin. AFter all, she's nothing like Hillary. In fact, she's the anti-Hllary. Any sane Hillary supporter should be able to see through that.
wandmakerwandmaker on September 3rd, 2008 04:22 am (UTC)
Perhaps if we weren't already in the wash of a disgusting season of relentless sexism and Hillary-bashing..this Palin thing would have come and gone. But frankly, this just adds another layer onto the already brimming double standard. A lot of women are already pretty angry at the way they've been pissed on. They don't care about how indignant you all suddenly are about a "woman's place is with her child." I know you all all mean well, and you care deeply about issues involving women and family, it just comes off as a bit disingenuous in my opinion. Oh, not like you were going to vote for her anyway, but...

So, let's see what we've got so far: She's a shitty mother, she can't do it all, her place is with her daughter...hmmm...where have I heard THAT before? Of course, a MAN wouldn't be held to that standard, and being a shitty parent has never been a reason not to vote for a guy. In fact, why don't we, as women, continue to serve as background while we support our brilliant but flawed male candidates? You know, the ones who can "do it all," because they have dicks.

Meanwhile, get ready for the backlash.

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Vicki: Battle of Onehermorrine on September 5th, 2008 07:04 pm (UTC)
Here's the thing: I DO think women and men are held to different standards, rightly or wrongly. I DO expect more from a woman in this sort of situation because it IS new for women to be in these positions, and how can Palin not be cognizant of that? And maybe that's wrong of me. If a woman is going to make it this far, I want her to be able to show the best of what women can be, show that she truly IS capable. Palin isn't showing that, IMO. Instead, she's showing her inability to balance personal life and career. I'm having a hard time with this, I really am.
bluedaydreamer6bluedaydreamer6 on September 4th, 2008 03:01 am (UTC)
I'm generally not a very political person, but what do you mean by She chose to put her career in front of her family at a very poor time, and call me a horrible person, but I AM judging her for that. Her daughter doesn't need this crap, and even if Palin had discussed it with her family, warned them of the scrutiny that would be coming, a teenager can in no way make that kind of fully-informed decision.

Are you referring to the fact that Palin's teenager daughter is pregnant and would be so scrutinized or just the fact that she's a teenager? Either way she wouldn't be the first teen in the political spotlight because of a family member running for office. If you're referring to the fact that her daughter is pregnant and therefore shouldn't be thrust into such a spotlight because she's a teenager I'm not sure I agree with you.

There are woman all over America that put their careers before their family to use your words. Does ones ambitions and dreams stop because you have a family? Or because your family is going through a "crisis" or difficult times? No.

I'm not knocking you for your opinion or views because you're entitled to them. I am tired of hearing about this story everywhere I look. And maybe my views aren't pc or yours or anyone elses, but after reading this and seeing so many stories on I can't help, but wonder if people would be as outraged if she were a man with such issues.
Vicki: Jared - Sorta poutyhermorrine on September 5th, 2008 07:04 pm (UTC)
I think that if it were one of Obama's daughters who was pregnant, he never would've gotten to the point of being the Democratic nominee. It's unfortunate, but I think it would've been FAR worse because I'm sure the majority of the country would've gone, "Oh, how typical - a pregnant teenage African-American." If it had been one of Biden's granddaughters? Not sure, but I have a feeling that would've gotten swept under the rug - same if it was one of McCain's granddaughters. Is it right or fair? Nope, but old white men are still the ones in power around here.

Here's the thing: I DO think women and men are held to different standards, rightly or wrongly. I DO expect more from a woman in this sort of situation because it IS new for women to be in these positions, and how can Palin not be cognizant of that? And maybe that's wrong of me. If a woman is going to make it this far, I want her to be able to show the best of what women can be, show that she truly IS capable. Palin isn't showing that, IMO. Instead, she's showing her inability to balance personal life and career. I'm having a hard time with this, I really am.
fantasma_arto on September 6th, 2008 06:09 am (UTC)
I hate doing this but this icon, http://p-userpic.livejournal.com/64047455/617627 is one I made a while ago. Would you mind crediting? :] Thanks.
Vicki: Jared - Uh huh.hermorrine on September 6th, 2008 08:09 am (UTC)
Sorry about that - if you looked at my icons, you should've seen that the majority of mine are credited. If I missed yours, it was an honest mistake. Do you go around looking for people who are using your icons or what? o_O
fantasma_arto on September 6th, 2008 03:05 pm (UTC)
I was looking for the maker to a icon of Jared and I noticed mine was there. That's all.
lol No I don't xD I just run into people that use them.